And got me thinking that the rio bravo and russian sage are sort of similar and was thinking about using the Ceanothus ‘Dark Star’ California lilac instead? As for the other abandoned red plants (in bold above) perhaps utilizing the California fuchsia. One kind woman suggested California Lilac - which prompted me to consider or rather wonder if Creeping mountain lilac might be a more appropriate ground cover.

Some of you mentioned ground covers - while i was thinking Delosperma 'wheels of wonder' (fire or hot pink) some have commented that the leaves may be too big (and could 'take over the yard') even though this is not the same stuff that grows along the highway. As such i was going to abandon the Agastaches, Penstemons, Coneflowers as well as the May Night Sage and Mexican bush sage, as well as the english lavenders. I wanted to update the list that this tread was started with, but see there is no way to do that.

Thank you all after talking to a few more folks as well as feedback from you guys about the ground cover issue.

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